Comments on: Introducing – the spiritual area of the brain http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/ Computers, brains, and everything in between Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:56:07 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Alfredo Zotti http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-4018 Alfredo Zotti Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:25:49 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-4018 It is interesting to read ideas of people who know little or nothing about the neural system. Write away. What are you all on about? The neural system includes brain, heart and spinal chord. It is all connected. Moreover, there is definite proof that the heart has an inner brain which functions separately from the normal brain. Heart and brain communicate on many levels just as they are connected in many ways. There is proof that the heart is intuitive and that it can think by itself independently from the brain.When you will have better knowledge of the neural system as a unit you will discover that what you have written here is nothing more than useless information. If you are looking for the spiritual experience look at how the heart works and you will find miracles at work just like scientists are beginning to do. No direct offense. I am not really religious I just am not an evolutionist. Thank you It is interesting to read ideas of people who know little or nothing about the neural system. Write away. What are you all on about? The neural system includes brain, heart and spinal chord. It is all connected. Moreover, there is definite proof that the heart has an inner brain which functions separately from the normal brain. Heart and brain communicate on many levels just as they are connected in many ways. There is proof that the heart is intuitive and that it can think by itself independently from the brain.When you will have better knowledge of the neural system as a unit you will discover that what you have written here is nothing more than useless information. If you are looking for the spiritual experience look at how the heart works and you will find miracles at work just like scientists are beginning to do. No direct offense. I am not really religious I just am not an evolutionist. Thank you

]]> By: Silver Bluewater http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-1069 Silver Bluewater Tue, 15 May 2007 11:09:53 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-1069 Nice to meet you, first of all. It's very interesting to see what would come out next. : ) Nice to meet you, first of all. It’s very interesting to see what would come out next. : )

]]> By: soyouth http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-1042 soyouth Mon, 14 May 2007 11:43:26 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-1042 Very concise and clear my friend ! I appreciate. Is there any way to trackback this blog ? Peace Love Unity & Respect Very concise and clear my friend ! I appreciate.
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]]> By: Ran Halprin http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-297 Ran Halprin Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:36:44 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-297 @Ariel - <b>"just having the same brain area active seems like a very superficial indicator as to the internal state and not enough to draw the far-reaching conclusions you mention. For example, two people listening to music probably have(I’m guessing) the same area of the brain active even though their hearing different things."</b> Having the same brain areas active is the best indicator to internal state we have. All research in Neuroscience points to the perceptions and experiences having direct correlation on neuronal activity, and neuronal "setting" is very similar (although never identical) between humans. If two people perceive music differently (even the same music), their neuronal activity would be different. <b>"As another example , I’d guess that a 7 year old doing addition and a proffesional mathematician proving a difficult theorem have the same area active."</b> Probably (ignoring the fact that proving theorems and addition are quite different in nature), but their internal feelings of frustration and challenge would be quite similar, as well as their activity in the left frontal lobe (though I assume addition would require less activity, even for a preteen). The wiring would be, to begin with, quite different - but the activity would be similar. This is similar to the activity in people who have been praying for 20 years vs. people praying for 1 year - the 20 years praying person has much more wiring set for this cause and could probably achieve higher levels of activity and thus perception - but in principal the activity is the same. @Ariel – “just having the same brain area active
seems like a very superficial indicator as to the internal state and not enough to draw the far-reaching conclusions you mention. For example,
two people listening to music probably have(I’m guessing) the same area of the brain active even
though their hearing different things.”

Having the same brain areas active is the best indicator to internal state we have. All research in Neuroscience points to the perceptions and experiences having direct correlation on neuronal activity, and neuronal “setting” is very similar (although never identical) between humans. If two people perceive music differently (even the same music), their neuronal activity would be different.

“As another example , I’d guess that a 7 year old doing addition and a proffesional mathematician proving a difficult theorem have the same area active.”

Probably (ignoring the fact that proving theorems and addition are quite different in nature), but their internal feelings of frustration and challenge would be quite similar, as well as their activity in the left frontal lobe (though I assume addition would require less activity, even for a preteen). The wiring would be, to begin with, quite different – but the activity would be similar. This is similar to the activity in people who have been praying for 20 years vs. people praying for 1 year – the 20 years praying person has much more wiring set for this cause and could probably achieve higher levels of activity and thus perception – but in principal the activity is the same.

]]> By: Keren (or Shmoopy for you) http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-286 Keren (or Shmoopy for you) Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:05:21 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-286 Hi Ran, I do agree with your major point (especially with the part that it's really fulish that people argue about same neuron activities) and I absolutly enjoyed your writting. What I tend to doubt is the part about trance music having the exact same effect as mantras (for the rocking part I'm still looking for an explenation myself). That idea did lead me to the though that perhaps the same parts of the brain are used by people who suffer from OCD. (I will not elaborate 'cos it's 02:00) Do you have any knowledg of where or how we can find that out?!?! BTW: What about those Care-Bears episodes you promised me?!?! ;) Your kinnda mean Shmoopy. Hi Ran,

I do agree with your major point (especially with the part that it’s really fulish that people argue about same neuron activities) and I absolutly enjoyed your writting.
What I tend to doubt is the part about trance music having the exact same effect as mantras (for the rocking part I’m still looking for an explenation myself). That idea did lead me to the though that perhaps the same parts of the brain are used by people who suffer from OCD. (I will not elaborate ‘cos it’s 02:00) Do you have any knowledg of where or how we can find that out?!?!

BTW: What about those Care-Bears episodes you promised me?!?! ;)
Your kinnda mean Shmoopy.

]]> By: Ariel http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-268 Ariel Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:56:33 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-268 Ignore the last sentence I wrote-In the last comment Ignore the last sentence I wrote-In the last comment

]]> By: Ariel http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-267 Ariel Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:55:05 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-267 Hi Ran, Very Nicely written! I enjoyed reading. I was with you till the middle, but after that felt you went too far-even though maybe that's what made it an enjoyable read:) Let me elaborate. I agree that there are a lot of commonalities between different traditions and religons. Thus, there is probably a similarity between the internal state of a bhudist meditating, a chirsitian praying and yes, someone on ecstacy listening to trance music. And it does seem foolish to argue and fight over the ceromony around which you enter the internal state. However, just having the same brain area active seems like a very superficial indicator as to the internal state and not enough to draw the far-reaching conclusions you mention. For example, two people listening to music probably have(I'm guessing) the same area of the brain active even though their hearing different things. As another example , I'd guess that a 7 year old doing addition and a proffesional mathematician proving a difficult theorem have the same area active. This example seems more relevant to me Hi Ran,

Very Nicely written! I enjoyed reading.

I was with you till the middle, but after that
felt you went too far-even though maybe that’s what made it an enjoyable read:)
Let me elaborate.
I agree that there are a lot of commonalities between different traditions and religons.
Thus, there is probably a similarity between the internal state of a bhudist meditating, a chirsitian praying and yes, someone on ecstacy listening to trance music. And it does seem
foolish to argue and fight over the ceromony around which you enter the internal state.
However, just having the same brain area active
seems like a very superficial indicator as to the internal
state and not enough to draw the far-reaching conclusions you mention. For example,
two people listening to music probably have(I’m guessing) the same area of the brain active even
though their hearing different things.
As another example , I’d guess that a 7 year old doing addition and a proffesional mathematician proving a difficult theorem have the same area active. This example seems more relevant to me

]]> By: Guy Gur-Ari http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-194 Guy Gur-Ari Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:13:11 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-194 To Sophie: Buddhism is a religion, not only in the ceremonies-and-rituals respect, but also in the worship-divine-beings respect. Perhaps you are thinking about Zen, which is indeed not a religion. Zen is a set of philosophical beliefs and practical techniques for achieving 'enlightenment'. Unlike Buddhism, it has no religious components such as prayers, worship, divine beings, etc. In that sense, it is 'pure' practical philosophy. To Sophie:
Buddhism is a religion, not only in the ceremonies-and-rituals respect, but also in the worship-divine-beings respect.

Perhaps you are thinking about Zen, which is indeed not a religion. Zen is a set of philosophical beliefs and practical techniques for achieving ‘enlightenment’. Unlike Buddhism, it has no religious components such as prayers, worship, divine beings, etc. In that sense, it is ‘pure’ practical philosophy.

]]> By: Ran Halprin http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-193 Ran Halprin Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:26:18 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-193 What I meant was that the AHOUM, like prayer, is meaningless in itself - its not the specific syllable that causes spiritual awakening, but rather the fact that an action or word has certain spiritual attributes, combined with repetition. What it means is that if instead of saying AHOUM u say BOOGI (and believe it is the correct one), u will get the same effect. The reference to Buddhism as religion is dictionary-based - its a set of rituals and beliefs. What I meant was that the AHOUM, like prayer, is meaningless in itself – its not the specific syllable that causes spiritual awakening, but rather the fact that an action or word has certain spiritual attributes, combined with repetition. What it means is that if instead of saying AHOUM u say BOOGI (and believe it is the correct one), u will get the same effect.

The reference to Buddhism as religion is dictionary-based – its a set of
rituals and beliefs.

]]> By: Sophie http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-190 Sophie Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:07:29 +0000 http://computingbrain.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/introducing-the-spiritual-area-of-the-brain/#comment-190 Don't think it's much relevant for the topic of this piece, but i've noticed u used Buddhism as an example for religion. As far as i remember, (though unsure) Buddhism is not a religion, more a way of "tuning" the mind and body. in the same fashion,the AHOUM mantra, uses of all vawels because of a certain physical reaction, perhaps for the vibrations in the vocal cords or something like that, unlike the preyer and it's affect. Don’t think it’s much relevant for the topic of this piece, but i’ve noticed u used Buddhism as an example for religion. As far as i remember, (though unsure) Buddhism is not a religion, more a way of “tuning” the mind and body.
in the same fashion,the AHOUM mantra, uses of all vawels because of a certain physical reaction, perhaps for the vibrations in the vocal cords or something like that, unlike the preyer and it’s affect.

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